Doctor Who Déja Vu

[51stcenturyfox]

...and we thought the space whale reminded us of Torchwood?

If you saw the Simon Nye-penned story Amy's Choice, you might have been reminded of a certain scene in End of Days (note: spoilery).

I mean, down to a coincidink premise and nearly identical dialogue (!) 


Doctor Who: Amy's Choice. Rory, Amy's boyfriend, is lying dead in the nursery, killed by a creepy old woman who is actually not what she seems (Mrs Poggett.) 

AMY: Save him. You save everybody, you always do. It's what you do.

DOCTOR: No. Not always.  I'm sorry.

AMY:  Then what is the point of you?

(moments pass)

AMY: This is the dream. Definitely this one. If we die here we wake up, yeah?

DOCTOR: Unless we just die.

AMY: Either way, this is my only chance to see him again...  if this is real, I don't want it. Don't want it.

 
Torchwood: End of Days (Series One final ep). Rhys, Gwen's boyfriend, is lying dead in the morgue, killed by a creepy old man who is actually not what he seems. (Bilis Manger)

GWEN: You bring him back.

JACK: No.

GWEN: The resurrection gauntlet ...

IANTO: Was destroyed.

GWEN: Something else.

JACK: I said no.

GWEN: No, there's something wrong with time, so we, we can go back to the moment,
to the very moment ...

JACK: Gwen ...

GWEN: There's something you can do, otherwise WHAT'S THE FUCKING POINT OF YOU?!

GWEN: You, you bring him back! Bring him back! You bring him back! Do you
understand me, Jack-fucking-Harkness?

JACK: Gwen, I'm sorry.

(a few moments later)

GWEN: Bilis was right, he said open the rift and everything goes back to normal.
Owen's right. I'm going to get Rhys back.


*and she does go with the others to open the Rift, and Rhys is safe. And Rory was safe in the "other dream". (Did you really think he wouldn't be?) 

Dude.


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Comments

[jooles34.livejournal.com]

Thank you!! That line has been bugging me all night. I knew it was lifted almost exactly from something Who, but just couldn't place it. It's been doing my head in all night. I can sleep easy now.

Also, wasn't Rory's line "I'm not ready to go yet" a little familiar?

[51stcenturyfox.livejournal.com]

"No, I'm not ready." Yeaaaah. It really got into youth and age and death and stuff.

But man. If that had been an RTD episode, I'd wonder why he was ripping himself off. :D

[ericadawn16.livejournal.com]

woah

[jo02]

I haven't seen it yet (I don't mind being spoiled for DW) but I would have gone "What the-?" at that scene since I pretty well know S1 of TW off by heart.

There's nothing new under the sun. Especially in the Whoniverse.

Not that it really matters if it was entertaining.

[kita0610.livejournal.com]

I wish Amy and Rory had chemistry. I love her to death. But I just- couldn't seem to care.

[51stcenturyfox.livejournal.com]

Me too, in terms of knowing all the lines (it's just episode titles I totally blank on. :D) I double-taked and had to watch the DW scene again.

It was a very similar situation. *boggles*

[51stcenturyfox.livejournal.com]

Aww. I sort of ship them as a triangle, with massive piles of Amy/Doctor UST.

Which is also familiar... :)

[51stcenturyfox.livejournal.com]

!!! :D

[kita0610.livejournal.com]

I think Rory is very...nice? But he's got nothing to recommend him other than that, you know? He just sort of IS. He's the stand in nice guy for every one of a male writers fantasies of what they think women want. Er, IMO obvs.

[ericadawn16.livejournal.com]

If I had been thinking, I probably should have paid more attention to "spoilery" and NOT clicked, lol...but I tend to lose brain cells when I see Torchwood and Dr Who mentioned together.

[51stcenturyfox.livejournal.com]

Oh no! I'm sorry!

I lose brain cells like that ALL THE TIME.

[51stcenturyfox.livejournal.com]

Yeah, one thing was really weird to me, in that Rory seems pretty sure that he's second-best after the Doctor, yet he and Amy were getting married the next day.

So it sort of feels like a "we grew up together and are friends and really didn't date anyone else, and the Doctor is this omnipresent I-thought-he-was-imaginary figure from Amy's childhood and"... it's just a relationship that felt very one-sided until the scene above.

[kita0610.livejournal.com]

It still felt one sided to me. Like she felt guilty more than in love. I JUST WANT CHEMISTRY DAMNIT.

I mean, Gwen totally obviously has the hots for Jack. But she also very obviously loves Rhys. Amy/Rory I am not sold on. I'd like to be, cause I think Amy is fucking awesome and I want her to be happy. But. Nope.

[languisity.livejournal.com]

THANK YOU FOR THIS.

This whole ep felt so familiar, but I couldn't figure out for the life of me why. Especially with that "then what's the point of you?" line. Ugh.

[hllangel]

...I *knew* I was having major deja vu on that line. THANK YOU.

[firefly-124.livejournal.com]

Oh yeah. I've been keeping track of things in this season that are reminding me of past stuff in DW/TW, and that scene was a biggie. I really wonder wtf Moffat is doing with this stuff. Originally, I was annoyed, but ever since the SPACEWHALE, it has seemed purposeful and more like a puzzle that won't make sense until the last piece is in place.

[oh-contraire.livejournal.com]

Thank you! I was just like "but - but they totally ripped that off from Torchwood!"

I wonder if it was deliberate?

[verasteine.livejournal.com]

I'd noticed the similarity in dialogue, but not in storyline. You're right. That's very scary, really.

[allfireburns.livejournal.com]

I had to pause the episode at that line to try and think of the reason I remembered that line. Only for some reason I thought someone had been saying it to the Doctor, not Jack, so it took me a couple hours to remember where it was actually from. I hadn't even noticed the similarities between the whole scenes until you mentioned it, though.

[paragraphs.livejournal.com]

No one has mentioned the TWy music though! OMG! It was so bizarre! The music was...whoa. Torchwood through and through. Crazy!

[kel-reiley.livejournal.com]

THIS! i was going to post this exact thing, now i don't have to :)

[kel-reiley.livejournal.com]

i noticed! though mostly i haven't been like the music this series, it overpowers everything else

[auctorial.livejournal.com]

Aha, yes! My thought exactly. At the end of that episode - I think the reason I like Amy so much is she reminds me a lot of Gwen. Personality-wise, and they have a lot of the same reactions. For example, the Doctor/Jack returning and expecting to be greeted with open arms. Or the fact that they follow the Doctor and Jack because, despite everything, and knowing they're not infallible, they have faith in them. And then their situations are similar - they're both thrust into this new scary alien world where they have to fend for themselves (I feel like Amy gets separated and has to figure things out for herself much more than the other companions, especially right off the bat). Not to mention choosing between Jack/Rhys and the Doctor/Rory.

[51stcenturyfox.livejournal.com]

TOTES.

If it wasn't intentional... ???

[51stcenturyfox.livejournal.com]

I can buy that she was going to marry Rory because he was there. And because he loved her, rolled with her quirks and she knew him to be a good,kind person... and then didn't realize how much she did care for him until he was gone.

Not feeling a ton of chemistry, though, no.