Doctor Who Déja Vu

[51stcenturyfox]

...and we thought the space whale reminded us of Torchwood?

If you saw the Simon Nye-penned story Amy's Choice, you might have been reminded of a certain scene in End of Days (note: spoilery).

I mean, down to a coincidink premise and nearly identical dialogue (!) 


Doctor Who: Amy's Choice. Rory, Amy's boyfriend, is lying dead in the nursery, killed by a creepy old woman who is actually not what she seems (Mrs Poggett.) 

AMY: Save him. You save everybody, you always do. It's what you do.

DOCTOR: No. Not always.  I'm sorry.

AMY:  Then what is the point of you?

(moments pass)

AMY: This is the dream. Definitely this one. If we die here we wake up, yeah?

DOCTOR: Unless we just die.

AMY: Either way, this is my only chance to see him again...  if this is real, I don't want it. Don't want it.

 
Torchwood: End of Days (Series One final ep). Rhys, Gwen's boyfriend, is lying dead in the morgue, killed by a creepy old man who is actually not what he seems. (Bilis Manger)

GWEN: You bring him back.

JACK: No.

GWEN: The resurrection gauntlet ...

IANTO: Was destroyed.

GWEN: Something else.

JACK: I said no.

GWEN: No, there's something wrong with time, so we, we can go back to the moment,
to the very moment ...

JACK: Gwen ...

GWEN: There's something you can do, otherwise WHAT'S THE FUCKING POINT OF YOU?!

GWEN: You, you bring him back! Bring him back! You bring him back! Do you
understand me, Jack-fucking-Harkness?

JACK: Gwen, I'm sorry.

(a few moments later)

GWEN: Bilis was right, he said open the rift and everything goes back to normal.
Owen's right. I'm going to get Rhys back.


*and she does go with the others to open the Rift, and Rhys is safe. And Rory was safe in the "other dream". (Did you really think he wouldn't be?) 

Dude.


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Comments

[jooles34.livejournal.com]

Thank you!! That line has been bugging me all night. I knew it was lifted almost exactly from something Who, but just couldn't place it. It's been doing my head in all night. I can sleep easy now.

Also, wasn't Rory's line "I'm not ready to go yet" a little familiar?

[51stcenturyfox.livejournal.com]

"No, I'm not ready." Yeaaaah. It really got into youth and age and death and stuff.

But man. If that had been an RTD episode, I'd wonder why he was ripping himself off. :D

[ericadawn16.livejournal.com]

woah

[51stcenturyfox.livejournal.com]

!!! :D

[jo02]

I haven't seen it yet (I don't mind being spoiled for DW) but I would have gone "What the-?" at that scene since I pretty well know S1 of TW off by heart.

There's nothing new under the sun. Especially in the Whoniverse.

Not that it really matters if it was entertaining.

[51stcenturyfox.livejournal.com]

Me too, in terms of knowing all the lines (it's just episode titles I totally blank on. :D) I double-taked and had to watch the DW scene again.

It was a very similar situation. *boggles*

[kita0610.livejournal.com]

I wish Amy and Rory had chemistry. I love her to death. But I just- couldn't seem to care.

[51stcenturyfox.livejournal.com]

Aww. I sort of ship them as a triangle, with massive piles of Amy/Doctor UST.

Which is also familiar... :)

[languisity.livejournal.com]

THANK YOU FOR THIS.

This whole ep felt so familiar, but I couldn't figure out for the life of me why. Especially with that "then what's the point of you?" line. Ugh.

[51stcenturyfox.livejournal.com]

TOTES.

If it wasn't intentional... ???

[hllangel]

...I *knew* I was having major deja vu on that line. THANK YOU.

[51stcenturyfox.livejournal.com]

\O/!

WEIRD, huh?

[firefly-124.livejournal.com]

Oh yeah. I've been keeping track of things in this season that are reminding me of past stuff in DW/TW, and that scene was a biggie. I really wonder wtf Moffat is doing with this stuff. Originally, I was annoyed, but ever since the SPACEWHALE, it has seemed purposeful and more like a puzzle that won't make sense until the last piece is in place.

[oh-contraire.livejournal.com]

Thank you! I was just like "but - but they totally ripped that off from Torchwood!"

I wonder if it was deliberate?

[51stcenturyfox.livejournal.com]

I hope it was deliberate!

I've done that with fic... written a line that references another fic (I tell the person!) because it's like a fun sort of running fandom reference. LIKE BAD WOLF.

OH, an example is the afghan on the Hub sofa. amand_r did a fic sort of ABOUT the afghan, and I've put it in at least one story. :D

[verasteine.livejournal.com]

I'd noticed the similarity in dialogue, but not in storyline. You're right. That's very scary, really.

[51stcenturyfox.livejournal.com]

It's kind of bizarre! And if it was on purpose it's awesome. If not, it's sort of... no.

[allfireburns.livejournal.com]

I had to pause the episode at that line to try and think of the reason I remembered that line. Only for some reason I thought someone had been saying it to the Doctor, not Jack, so it took me a couple hours to remember where it was actually from. I hadn't even noticed the similarities between the whole scenes until you mentioned it, though.

[paragraphs.livejournal.com]

No one has mentioned the TWy music though! OMG! It was so bizarre! The music was...whoa. Torchwood through and through. Crazy!

[kel-reiley.livejournal.com]

i noticed! though mostly i haven't been like the music this series, it overpowers everything else

[kel-reiley.livejournal.com]

THIS! i was going to post this exact thing, now i don't have to :)

[51stcenturyfox.livejournal.com]

YAY!

I watched the whole ep twice, because I wanted to see what else was up...

[auctorial.livejournal.com]

Aha, yes! My thought exactly. At the end of that episode - I think the reason I like Amy so much is she reminds me a lot of Gwen. Personality-wise, and they have a lot of the same reactions. For example, the Doctor/Jack returning and expecting to be greeted with open arms. Or the fact that they follow the Doctor and Jack because, despite everything, and knowing they're not infallible, they have faith in them. And then their situations are similar - they're both thrust into this new scary alien world where they have to fend for themselves (I feel like Amy gets separated and has to figure things out for herself much more than the other companions, especially right off the bat). Not to mention choosing between Jack/Rhys and the Doctor/Rory.

[51stcenturyfox.livejournal.com]

Yes!

(I feel like Amy gets separated and has to figure things out for herself much more than the other companions, especially right off the bat). Not to mention choosing between Jack/Rhys and the Doctor/Rory.

Oh yes, this. Definitely.

Amy kissed the Doctor and Gwen kissed Jack (different circumstances).

I could completely see Amy's Choice as a Torchwood episode, with Gwen in an alternate timeline where she's pregnant five years later *cough* -- turns out she is at the end of S3 anyway -- versus in a world where she and the team are fighting the alien threat and Jack is there but Rhys isn't, if End of Days had "stuck".

[bodlon.livejournal.com]

TORCHWOOD MUSIC CUES IN THE UPPER LEADWORTH DREAM.

That is all.

[51stcenturyfox.livejournal.com]

OH YEAH.

YEAH.

[iamashamed.livejournal.com]

I knew there was something similar with that line!

[mimarie.livejournal.com]

Heh, got halfway down the comments thinking 'omg, was that just me? That *was* TW incidental music, wasn't it?' Phew. Not mad - and the dialogue...

And I may have missed someone else noting this, but how about Rory's surname. Williams, wasn't it...?

I miss Torchwood

[51stcenturyfox.livejournal.com]

I do believe you're right. Rhys. Rory.

Maybe they're cousins. :D

WEIRD.

I mean, I know RTD recycles names like nobody's business, but...

[dune-drd.livejournal.com]

I was wondering why it felt so familiar -- coincidence?

[51stcenturyfox.livejournal.com]

Could be a coincidence!

It was so recently in the Whoniverse that it felt doubly weird to me!

[supergreak.livejournal.com]

There are a lot of bizarre similarities. The space whale, this episode as a whole, and also River's line "There's a thing in that ship that can't ever die" and I expect to see Jack jump out and glomp the doctor. But noooooo, it's a weeping angel. Unless they're deliberately drawing up Doctor/Jack similarities in prep for bringing him back on the show(unlikely, but would be nice), it's just really sloppy writing.

In fact, there's been quite a bit of sloppy writing this season.

Another question I had-if at any point the Doctor wanted to check if the Zombieland world was real, he could, I dunno, call UNIT or Torchwood or any other bloody acronym agency and have backup stat.

[supergreak.livejournal.com]

Oh, and reading the other comments, I had a thought! the Doctor's significant look when he says "time can be rewritten" made me think of all kinds of possibilities. Throw the 456 into the crack in the wall, and there you go! Ianto Jones.

[karaokegal.livejournal.com]

Wow! That is one damn weird co-incidence. I'm suspecting something like unconscious plagiariasm, simply because it's such a distinctive line. Simon Nye must have seen the episode, but not remembered it when he was writing Amy's Choice.

I honestly think it's that rather than any deeper meaning or connection between the two scenes. (Not that we, the viewers, won't fanwank something more into it.)

[51stcenturyfox.livejournal.com]

Yeah, it definitely could be unconscious. Who hasn't written something and thought, "OH HELL, that's sort of like..."

With Jack being a Moff co-creation, though, I'd love to see him again!

What IS the point of you?

[witchway.livejournal.com]

hmmmmm........

you know what would be REALLY cool?

If someone like Jack or the Dr. DIDN'T get to save everyone, and then DEAL with "what's the point of you."

And we COULDN'T have lived without Rory?

hmmmmm....

*happily nurses a dream that this is all going somewhere, hopefully somewhere where John Barrowman gets to have a guest appearance*

Re: What IS the point of you?

[51stcenturyfox.livejournal.com]

With you on the Barrowman. OH, PLEASE!

[gernumblies-fic.livejournal.com]

I thought it sounded familiar! (If the naughty words had been used in Doctor Who, I probably would have recognised it. XD )